Renowned economist Thomas Sowell spoke on the Life, Liberty & Levin program on Sunday, July 12, where he gave his views on various issues and said that the current demands of Black Lives Matter to defund the police, to take away their resources when crime skyrocketed, make no sense.

Mark Levin asked Thomas, “You’ve heard this phrase, ‘systemic racism’. You hear it on our college campuses. You hear it from very wealthy and fabulously famous sports stars. What does that mean? And whatever it means, is it true?”

Sowell responded, “It really has no meaning that can be specified and tested in the way that one tests hypotheses. But it reminds me of Joseph Goebbels’s propaganda tactics in the Nazi era … people will believe any lie if it is repeated enough and loudly enough … and people who use it have no clear idea of what it means …” 

Thomas said that he is usually considered a pessimist, but he never thought that society would degenerate to this extent. He criticized people who are in positions of responsibility for caving into any demands, as absurd as they may be.

The absolute hypocrisy of celebrities 

Levin went a step further to expose the hypocrisy of celebrities and famous people who are pushing the narrative of an egalitarian society and systemic racism. The host said that these people don’t live in those neighborhoods, they don’t go there, they don’t send their children to those schools, and in fact the Marxist ideas they are pushing, in all of history have only created completely unequal, authoritarian states with a state police force.

Levin said, “They only go there to hand out turkeys” on Thanksgiving but they live among those they say are the oppressors.

Sowell agreed, noting, “They’re trying to escape class differences and have created their own nomenclature. They have their own shops, their own businesses, they have their own medical facilities …”

A point of no return

Sowell made a comparison of the current situation in the United States with the Roman Empire, “The Roman Empire overcame many problems, it’s a very long history, but eventually, it got to the point where it just couldn’t continue, and a lot of that came from within.”

Levin added to the analogy by saying, “In 1890 in a letter between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson said, ‘You know, I’ve been thinking about Rome, I’ve been thinking about America … the Romans could never come up with any kind of government, to save themselves, to save their people, because the people had lost their virtue … but America is different. … Well, I’m here to tell you Dr. Sowell, if we lose our virtue, and what we see now on the streets, I don’t think we can describe it as a virtue, what we hear in academia, what we see in the media, what we hear from the Democrats and so on … there is no kind of government that can protect us from ourselves, is that right?”

The interview concluded with Sowell’s assessment that if Biden wins the election, given his policy proposals, this could well be the point of no return for the United States, just as it was for the Roman Empire at the time.