The Rev. Franklin Graham and host Eric Metaxas agreed that the opposition to President Donald Trump has a “demonic” origin.

The son of the late evangelist Billy Graham began by talking about the Christmas project of his international charity, Samaritan’s Purse, which distributes shoe boxes filled with items to children in need.

At one point, the conversation turned to politics, focusing on the incessant criticisms and accusations made by the Democrats against the president. “It’s a very bizarre situation to be living in a country where some people seem to exist to undermine the president of the United States,” Graham began.

“It’s just a bizarre time for most Americans,” he emphasized, suggesting that there is a spiritual component to the situation. “Well, I believe it’s almost a demonic power that is trying—,” the reverend insinuated.

‘A spiritual battle’

“I would disagree,” Metaxas intervened. “It’s not almost demonic. You know and I know, at the heart, it’s a spiritual battle,” he said.

Graham agreed, “It is a spiritual battle,” he repeated. He then argued that the president’s policies have brought prosperity to American homes. “If you look at what the president, just for our country, regardless of whether you’re a Republican or a Democrat, unemployment is at the lowest in 70 years,” he said.

“More African Americans are working, more Latinos are working, more Asians are working, more everybody are working,” Graham said.

“We have an economy that is just screaming forward. It’s incredible,” he added, detailing that President Trump “cut taxes and this fueled the economic machinery we enjoy now,” and that three years ago it was “literally dead.”

Different standards

“It’s a bizarre situation that we’re in, that people seem only to have these standards [Christian] for the president somehow,” Metaxas continued, recalling that both have been criticized for making positive comments about President Trump’s accomplishments.

Graham added that by giving American Christians a stronger economy, they can now support local churches, missions, and other programs with more money.

He said, “Donald Trump believes in God, believes in Jesus Christ,” even though, in his opinion, he does not have a deep knowledge of the scriptures.

“Now people say, ‘Well Frank but how can you defend him, when he’s lived such a sordid life?’ I never said he was the best example of the Christian faith. He defends the faith. And I appreciate that very much,” the Graham said in an interview given a year ago to Axios on HBO, where he stressed that no one lives a perfect life, but that the president is carrying out a good policy.

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