Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick MuIvaney, on Sunday, Aug. 4, defended President Donald Trump, saying mass shootings have been a problem for decades and he doesn’t “think it’s fair to try and lay this at the feet of the president.”

“This is a serious problem—there’s no question about it—but they are sick, sick people, and the president knows it,” Mulvaney said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Mulvaney said he spoke with the president after the shooting in El Paso (20 killed), and again Sunday morning about the shooting in Dayton, Ohio (9 killed).

Before calling the governors of Texas and Ohio, Mulvaney said Trump called the attorney general “to find out what we could do to prevent this type of thing from happening, what we could do to send a message to the sick people who would do this kind of stuff that this is not appropriate.” The president also tweeted Sunday: “God bless the people of El Paso Texas. God bless the people of Dayton, Ohio.“

Mulvaney defended the president, when asked if Trump has downplayed the dangers of white nationalism.

“I don’t think it’s at all fair to sit here and say that he doesn’t think that white nationalism is bad for the nation. These are sick people,” Mulvaney said. “You cannot be a white supremacist and be normal in the head. These are sick people. You know it, I know it, the president knows it.”

“This type of thing has to stop,” he added. “We have to figure out a way to fix the problem, not figure out a way to lay blame.”

Mulvaney defended the actions of the White House on guns, pointing out that a bump stock ban and a stronger background check system had been enacted and insisted that white supremacy was denounced by the president.

“This was a sick person. The person in Dayton was a sick person. No politician is to blame for that. The people responsible here are the people who pulled the trigger,” he said. “We need to figure out how to create less of those kinds of people as a society and not trying to figure out who gets blamed going into the next election.”

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