Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for President Donald J. Trump, engaged in a heated verbal exchange with CNN presenter Chris Cuomo for a report on alleged misconduct by the president with a foreign leader.
“I’m glad I’m on tonight because what you just said is totally erroneous,” the former mayor of New York said, after Cuomo broadcast the “shocking news” first published in the New York Times.
“Every single thing you just said is completely spun in the same direction you’ve been doing for two years,” he continued.
“Let me tell you what happened, okay,” he said in response to accusations made by Cuomo, who suggested that President Trump and Giuliani himself tried to manipulate Ukrainian leaders to exert influence against their political opponents, such as Democrat Joe Biden, who has ties with Ukraine.
Giuliani explained that while investigating the complaints of several people in Ukraine about a “tremendous collusion between Ukrainian officials, Hillary Clinton, and the Democratic National Committee,” he learned an “incredible story about Joe Biden,” the former vice president and Democratic candidate for president in 2020.
Biden “bribed the president of the Ukraine in order to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son,” Giuliani continued, “that is an astounding scandal of major proportions which all of you have covered up for about five or six months,” he said.
He also said the media “have covered up the fact that Biden and his son took $1.5 billion out of China.”
“And that’s why the president thinks you’re a corrupt media,” he said, adding that if President Trump and his son did the same, CNN journalists “would be screaming and yelling and going crazy about how corrupt it is.”
At that point, Cuomo, brother of the current Democratic governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, asked him if he had asked the Ukrainians to investigate Biden, to which Giuliani responded:
“I asked Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of 2016 by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton for which there is a court ruling,” said the former New York mayor.
Later, Cuomo insisted, asking if he had asked to investigate Joe Biden’s son, Hunter: “You never asked anything about Hunter Biden? You never asked anything about Joe Biden to the prosecutor?” and Giuliani stated:
“The only thing I asked is to get to the bottom of how it was that the guy [Ukrainian prosecutor] who was appointed dismissed the case.” Giuliani referred to the case investigating how Antac, an NGO of the controversial multi-millionaire George Soros—linked to the Democratic Party—would have produced a “completely fraudulent document” for an investigation to be initiated against American Republicans.
“So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden,” Cuomo said. “Of course I did,” Giuliani replied.
Giuliani explained that he “did not ask” for Biden to be specifically investigated, but asked Ukraine “to look into the allegations which related to my client, which tangentially involved Joe Biden in a massive bribery scheme.”
Moments later the discussion became even more heated when Giuliani called the accusations a plot to undermine President Trump’s image.